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Re: Whatever his stated doctrines are...
By:Jenny Shreve
Date: 10/22/08 9:35am
In Response To: Whatever his stated doctrines are... (ray)

Ray, I have to say that I think that the ideas that we're "winning the war" & that "the surge has worked" are certainly debatable. The only information that the vast majority of people in the United States has are of OUR (i.e., U.S. troops) casualties. The BBC is a great news source, among others, that tell us that the Iraqi civilian casulties have been far, far more! (Also Michael Ware, Matthew Chance & Karl Penhaul of CNN; their reporting from Iraq is astounding in terms of what all we do not know.) Many innocent Iraqi children, women & men have lost their lives throughout our misguided and ill-fated endeavor into their country. They continue to be extremely fearful of going out of their homes to do even the most basic things, especially in certain areas of the country, outside of Baghdad. This whole thing has been one big bloody mess.

Iraq is a highly multi-confessional state, made up of Sunni, Shiite and Kurds. Although this is a country that can be bombed, as we did nearly 6 years ago, this is a situation that needs a great deal of diplomacy & negotiation if there is any ghost of a chance to have everybody come to the table & agree to be a solidified nation. I think that by our very behavior, the war, we have negated ourselves in terms of any hopes of being able to help them do this. Sometimes, even, I think that Joe Biden's idea of the country dividing up into 3 distinct sections, one for each group, may be the only way to go at this point.

Messages In This Thread

Powell might have a new role :) -- NancyJ -- 10/20/08 12:25pm
Re: Powell might have a new role :) -- BR -- 10/20/08 4:53pm
Re: Powell might have a new role :) -- Jenny Shreve -- 10/20/08 8:37pm
Re: Powell might have a new role :) -- Br -- 10/21/08 1:10pm
Oh this is interesting...politirix! -- ray -- 10/21/08 6:48pm
Re: Oh this is interesting...politirix! -- IHR -- 10/21/08 7:24pm
LOL IHR.... -- ray -- 10/22/08 8:11am
Re: LOL IHR.... -- Roger -- 10/22/08 1:52pm
Re: Oh this is interesting...politirix! -- Roger -- 10/21/08 6:59pm
Whatever his stated doctrines are... -- ray -- 10/21/08 10:56pm
Re: Whatever his stated doctrines are... -- Jenny Shreve -- 10/22/08 9:35am
Re: Whatever his stated doctrines are... -- Roger -- 10/22/08 1:56pm
Re: Whatever his stated doctrines are... -- Jenny Shreve -- 10/22/08 3:14pm
Re: Whatever his stated doctrines are... -- Roger -- 10/22/08 3:32pm
Re: Whatever his stated doctrines are... -- Jenny Shreve -- 10/22/08 3:41pm
Re: Whatever his stated doctrines are... -- Roger -- 10/21/08 11:16pm
LOL...Roger... -- ray -- 10/22/08 8:07am
Re: LOL...Roger... -- Roger -- 10/22/08 1:59pm
Thank you Roger -- Col. Andy & "Wildcat" Pam -- 10/21/08 8:28pm
Re: Nobody got fired -- BMD -- 10/21/08 2:22pm
Re: Nobody got fired -- Roger -- 10/21/08 2:33pm
Re: Nobody got fired -- Roger -- 10/21/08 2:25pm
Re: Nobody got fired -- BMD -- 10/21/08 2:50pm
Re: Powell might have a new role :) -- Roger -- 10/21/08 1:35pm
Re: Powell might have a new role :) -- accompong -- 10/21/08 2:05pm
Re: Powell might have a new role :) -- Roger -- 10/21/08 2:11pm
More than just drawings... -- ray -- 10/21/08 4:08pm
Re: More than just drawings... -- Roger -- 10/21/08 4:38pm
WOW! Is that the case with oaths for ... -- ray -- 10/21/08 5:01pm
Re: WOW! Is that the case with oaths for ... -- Roger -- 10/21/08 5:06pm
Do all of the President's... -- ray -- 10/21/08 5:13pm
Re: Do all of the President's... -- Roger -- 10/21/08 6:22pm
Can't seem to find an oath to the PRresident but.. -- ray -- 10/21/08 5:29pm
Re: Can't seem to find an oath to the PRresident b -- Roger -- 10/21/08 6:04pm
Interesting...but... -- ray -- 10/21/08 6:53pm
Re: Interesting...but... -- Roger -- 10/21/08 7:14pm
wow..we agree again... -- ray -- 10/21/08 10:48pm
Re: wow..we agree again... -- Roger -- 10/21/08 10:51pm
Re: Powell might have a new role :) -- accompong -- 10/21/08 2:27pm
Re: Powell might have a new role :) -- Roger -- 10/21/08 2:36pm
Re: Powell might have a new role :) -- georgiajan -- 10/20/08 8:58pm
Re: Powell might have a new role :) -- Br -- 10/21/08 12:58pm
Re: Secretary of Defense Powell -- BMD -- 10/20/08 12:36pm
Re: Secretary of Defense Powell -- georgiajan -- 10/20/08 12:49pm
Re: Secretary of Defense Powell -- BMD -- 10/20/08 12:59pm