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NO ..redistribution of wealth!
By:ray
Date: 10/28/08 7:12pm

To understand this concept BMD, you need to understand the difference between above the line and below the line dedcutions on your tax forms. He is not just proposing cutting the tax rates. He is also proposing Tax credits and they are BELOW the line (that means below the Adjsuted Gross Income (AGI) line). These below the line tax credits are for various items such as a $7,000 tax CREDIT for energy saving cars, tax CREDITS for education, a 10% tax CREDIT for home mortgages and on and on. What this means is that if a taxpayer owes no federal tax at all after all otehr deductions, THEY WILL STILL GET A REFUND for these things, tax refunds for things they did not pay for, butr rather someone else paid for. (the best example is the earned income credit (EIC) for those of you who have kids). This is not being Robin Hood who stole money from those who stole from the peasants to begin with, this is taking someone else's money and giving it to someone else. It is what the Russians did when they took over people's property and then gave it to others (study the bolsheviks). Jesus...you people really scare me that you do not even know what is going on! And I mean no offense by that.

That means that the federal government will take money from people with more money and businesses and give it away for free to people in the middle class and the lower classes. Since nearly half of all taxpayers do not pay taxes now, they will get free money from the government to buy these things and more and will be happy. THIS IS WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION. How is he ever going to pay for this? The less money you make, the more you get for free. This amounts to the expansion of welfare.

Acorn is all about creating a welfare state... that is their goal and it is Obama's too. This is beyond socialism and tends towards Marxist theories and you have no idea what you are talking about BMD.

Obama's friends stated all he did was whine that everything was unfair. His sense of fairness if everyone be equal! It is who he is because his mom was a die hard socialist getting up four in the morning and feeding him socialist proaganda! I am completely convinced he is a commie jsut like his mother. He has always sought out these types. And make no mistake, the ones in power do very well. That has been one of the downsides of socilaism/communism...the few of the party people do well and no one else does.

His plan is clear...get this implemented and then enough people that benefit like it, enough to keep him in power. Then he will get into debt, and tell everyone we need to hit the next level down so you can get more. If you want to keep on getting, we will need to lower the ceiling from the currenlty proposed 250,000 limit to 200,000, then 150,000, then 100,000 and on and on unitl the end result is everyone works for the government and the goverment decides what everyone gets an the masses get the same no matter wht they do. You guys really don't get it at all. Like I said before, he has never cared for anyone but poor people before. Look at his record. All of a sudden for the firt time he cares about the middle class? Why doe she pretend? Becuae he needs you to get into power! What was the very first thing he propsed as US Senator? The Global Poverty Act...wnats to give away one percent of everything made in America. What is he telling you? Let's change America AND LETS CHANGE THE WORLD.

You guys wonder why I get the way I do? Well it is because I know what has been going on in Venzuela. I have studied Obama in depth. I know what happened in the Russian Revolution. I have studied taxes and I know Americans would NEVER buy this crap...never. There has been much written over the years how to take over a democracy. You need to get them to vote you in, then get them to give you more and more power unitl there is no more democracy (that is exactly how Hilter took over! Convinced everyone he was the wya and he had the answers. Germany was a democracy before that!)

I do not say these things to insult...I sincerely believe this is what he is doing. Th next thing is they will try to change education ...just watch. He will be buddying up to Chavez...to Castro...to Russia...to Iran.

His ultimate goal is to have everyone the same. He cannot get there overnight. He has to do it slowly because if everyone sees it for what it is, it will never succeed. He needs to massage it like Chavez did. Not take it like the Bolcheviks did. Do you guys know that Ayers and Chavez are buddies?

You people really do not gt it at all. Go study what has happened in Venezuela and in the Russian Revolutions and compare and contrast. Look at how Hitler got elected and then too power. Look at what Obama teaches, his background, etc. You need to educate yourselves about this, about taxes and his plan...then you will get it. It is too late for the elections now. He ha won already. But you need to educate yourselves so you can make sure that we do not lose our democracy. Chavez got powerful enough to get elected and then change the rules of the game so that they are no longer a democracy. This is Obama's plan.

It really is a shame that you guys see this as some kind of a pissing contest with me. It is not that way for me. And it isn't about getting your votes because all of you put together are meaningless in numbers (so save your conspiracy theories Roger). I don't know how else to exaplin these things.

Finally, Obama has complained about what our forefathers have done with structuring our government. He disagreed withthem about restricting powers of thefederal government and state governments cannot do. He complains that they did not spell out what they could do (although I disagree). He complained that the Federal Courts did not do anything about economic redistribution with the civil rights movement. Why? He even attempts to mask reparations into another form of wealth redistribution.

Research what his mother's idea weres. She was a commie through and through. So were his grandparents to some degree. Anyhoo...enough wasting my breath. There is always after the elections and before the govenment starts imiting freedom of speech. They are already working on that.

Peace.

Messages In This Thread

Well this one should make you guys... -- ray -- 10/28/08 8:47am
Re: Redistributive change.....not wealth -- BMD -- 10/28/08 2:21pm
NO ..redistribution of wealth! -- ray -- 10/28/08 7:12pm
Re: NO ..redistribution of wealth! -- IHR -- 10/28/08 8:00pm
WOW Yaman! -- irony -- 10/29/08 2:16pm
Just Feels Like A Good Night... -- Island Girl -- 10/28/08 9:07pm
yes it does IG *NM* -- Papi------WebKitFormBoundaryxmUxjSk7m7mYDY+m------ -- 10/28/08 9:53pm
BLAH BLAH BLAH ! *NM* -- NancyJ -- 10/28/08 8:14pm
this one hates Socialists too! -- MilwaukeeMike -- 10/28/08 2:11pm
Ahh, a NJ State Trooper -- Just TJ -- 10/28/08 2:56pm
Re: Ahh, a NJ State Trooper -- Cat -- 10/28/08 7:01pm
INNOCENT... That's a word -- Just TJ -- 10/28/08 7:31pm
why must you say devisive things like comrade ray? *NM* -- Sis Irijah -- 10/28/08 1:37pm
Never a comrade... -- ray -- 10/28/08 7:31pm
Re: why must you say devisive things like comrade -- Roger -- 10/28/08 1:43pm
Give it up Roger...McCain already lost... -- ray -- 10/28/08 7:33pm
Re: Give it up Roger...McCain already lost... -- accompong -- 10/29/08 8:28am
Re: Well this one should make you guys... -- vermontirie -- 10/28/08 1:37pm
excuse me there... -- ray -- 10/28/08 8:04pm
My point proven. Thank you. -- vermontirie -- 10/28/08 9:02pm
heh heh; shove your fake irie! -- shemoves -- 10/28/08 8:05pm
Ray Ray can't help himself -- NancyJ -- 10/28/08 5:45pm
just what Ive been thinking -- Just me -- 10/28/08 3:39pm
i say right on vermontirie, right on !!!!!!!! *NM* -- Sis Irijah -- 10/28/08 3:39pm
You make me Horny when you Yell -- Just TJ -- 10/28/08 3:05pm
Re: Well this one should make you guys... -- Sunshine -- 10/28/08 2:25pm
Re: Well this one should make you guys... -- IHR -- 10/28/08 2:28pm
thanks folks. -- vermontirie -- 10/28/08 2:47pm
Re: thanks folks. -- queenb -- 10/28/08 7:48pm
good one Yaman! -- irony -- 10/28/08 2:41pm
Re: good one Yaman! -- Sunshine -- 10/28/08 3:01pm
i say chinese water torture *NM* -- Sis Irijah -- 10/28/08 3:41pm
I CAN'T BELIEVE -- Lola -- 10/28/08 10:13pm
Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE -- Roger -- 10/28/08 11:17pm
The closer to the election... -- Lola -- 10/29/08 12:49am
Re: The closer to the election... -- Roger -- 10/29/08 12:59am
Re: Well this one should make you guys... -- BigLumbaBumba -- 10/28/08 2:03pm
Re: Well this one should make you guys... -- queenb -- 10/28/08 7:50pm
Re: Well this one should make you guys... -- BigLumbaBumba -- 10/29/08 4:09pm
Scotch!?!?! -- Bob and Pat -- 10/29/08 4:16pm
Re: Scotch!?!?! -- BigLumbaBumba -- 10/29/08 4:38pm
Re: Well this one should make you guys... -- Roger -- 10/28/08 2:19pm
Amen!! -- DAWN -- 10/28/08 1:48pm
Re: Amen!! -- Bob and Pat -- 10/28/08 2:04pm
Re: Well this one should make you guys... -- Roger -- 10/28/08 1:16pm