start of the thread is
http://miyard.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/bbs6x.pl?page=19;md=read;id=174806
sub post answering the question with a 'no'
http://miyard.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/bbs6x.pl?page=19;md=read;id=174813
both by delroy, and they kind of answer your question GJ