Roger, is it possible for you to actually comment on the information Ray has presented rather than bash him for absolutely every single post no matter what? You guys bitch and moan about him but it seems to me you all instigate quite a bit of the problems you have with him. And don't interpret this as coming to his defense. I'd rather read some decent interactions back/forth with formadable opinions on both sides of subjects. If people could take their fingers out of their ears and formulate opinions on subjects rather than just constantly making fun of others, it would be a little more grown up around here. That is if people what to act like grown ups. But that's a big "if".

For example, which way do you believe in the information he was presenting. What comes first warmer temps or CO2? Any thoughts of your own on that subject?

Personally, I think the earth revolves in temperature cycles and that we are still in the midst of coming out of an ice age. I'm not sure about the CO2 and warmer temperatures though. I would probably tend to believe the warmer temps cause the CO2.

However, What I think it is a shame is that our elected officials (especially here in California) spend so much time writing bills to impose regulations that will supposedly save the environment. Unfortunately, businesses are flocking out of California at breakneck speed so they don't have to conform to all the crazy mandates here. If the rest of the country follows suit to what's going on here in CA, then all businesses will flock to other countries where they don't impose such regulations. Like China for example. If people want to blame the hole in our ozone on something, forget my aerosol hairspray and start some of that political diplomacy - that democrats continually preach will solve all of the worlds problems - over in China. Maybe Al Gore can head over there and get the Chinese to impose some of the ridiculous mandates like California so he can save the environment and stop his Global Warming phenomenon.